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#72203 - 09/20/18 12:36 PM Natural Frequency basis
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Hi

As per our Design basis, piping system carrying two phase fluid is to be designed to have a natural frequency of 4 Hz or more. can anyone tell me the basis of this 4Hz figure?

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#72205 - 09/20/18 02:48 PM Re: Natural Frequency basis [Re: Jay_Stress]
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You will see such limits in the Energy Institute's Piping Vibrations Guidelines and DNV-RP-D101. Two phase flow may excite harmonic response of lower modes of piping vibration. By staying above 4 Hz you will reduce the likelihood of such piping failures.
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#72215 - 09/21/18 08:29 AM Re: Natural Frequency basis [Re: Jay_Stress]
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The 4 Hz value is also seen in Chapter 8 of Kellogg's Design of Piping Systems.

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#72222 - 09/24/18 01:54 PM Re: Natural Frequency basis [Re: Jay_Stress]
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A few observations:

The EIG calls anything 4 Hz and lower as "Flexible," and thus prone to the highest rate of failure due to the EIG.

The EIG's estimates for natural frequencies is higher than that of CAESAR's, I find. This may be due to lack of mass (fluid, insulation) in their estimations.

You should be careful when using 4 Hz as your final arbiter. It's important to understand the kind of problem you have.

By specifying 4 Hz as a minimum natural frequency, you're assuming that small slugs in your system will never exceed 4 events per second and cause a runaway condition.

However, you could have large slugs at 0.1 Hz that can still cause your system to fail or fatigue, despite not having a runaway condition.

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