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#76167 - 01/08/22 09:09 AM Characteristic Length of an Arbitrarily Angled Bend
Michael_Fletcher Offline
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I couldn't find this information documented anywhere, so I derived it for myself and am sharing it here.

Comments welcome.


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Characteristic Length of a Bend Cut at ann Arbitrary Angle for Input into CAESAR.pdf (180 downloads)


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#76168 - 01/08/22 12:02 PM Re: Characteristic Length of an Arbitrarily Angled Bend [Re: Michael_Fletcher]
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Michael,

Great post!
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#76169 - 01/08/22 01:00 PM Re: Characteristic Length of an Arbitrarily Angled Bend [Re: Michael_Fletcher]
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Geometrically is more easy to see L2=L1*tan(theta/2) which is equivalent with your result.

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#76172 - 01/10/22 07:32 AM Re: Characteristic Length of an Arbitrarily Angled Bend [Re: Michael_Fletcher]
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Thanks, Mario

Using the diagram, here's how I arrived to mine:
L3 = L1 cos(theta)
L4 = L2 cos(90-theta) = L2 sin(theta)
L1 = L3+L4

L3 is the horizontal component of the radius at angle theta.
L4 is the horizontal component of the "upper" L2.
The sum thereof is the length L1.

Thus
L1 = L1cos(theta) + L2sin(theta)

L1-L1cos(theta) = L2 sin(theta)

L2 = L1/sin(theta) - L1cos(theta)/sin(theta)

L2 = L1 (1/sin(theta)-1/tan(theta))

After some though, I think I can see your identity - bisecting theta draws two right angle triangles. From the law of sines, you would then have...

L2/sin(theta/2)=L1/sin(90-theta/2)=L1/cos(theta/2)

L2 = L1 * sin(theta/2)/cos(theta/2) = L1 tan(theta/2)

When you see it, you see it, when you don't, you don't.

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#76174 - 01/10/22 09:53 AM Re: Characteristic Length of an Arbitrarily Angled Bend [Re: Michael_Fletcher]
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Or, even more simple, in one of the right angle triangles you've seen, tan(theta/2)=L2/L1

I think also L1 definition is a little bit confusing, for me is just the bend radius (as length).

About your remark: yes, knowing more math the danger is to get complicated but in the end correctness of the result is what really matters.
Your result is correct and can be simplified as
1/sin(theta)-1/tan(theta)=(1-cos(theta))/sin(theta)=
=[2*sin^2(theta/2)]/[2*sin(theta/2)*cos(theta/2)]=
=sin(theta/2)/cos(theta/2)=
=tan(theta/2)


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