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#73534 - 08/08/19 01:03 AM Considering Flexibility/Stiffness in modelling
VGA Offline
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Registered: 09/25/18
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Dear All,

Good morning.

I am working on a reactor (shell & tube type). Outside the shell there are two ring-type header connections for coolant passage (bottom & top). I have modelled the entire equipment for getting real stiffness-es from shell and header. Inserted "custom nozzle flexibility(s)" produced from nozzle-pro at the Shell#Nozzle and Header#Branch junctions. Also, this configuration has piping loads on both the headers (Bottom header node - 1255, top header nodes - 3000, 3010, 3020, 3030).

Analysing to decide whether a support is required for bottom header or not.

Without flexibility(s) at bottom header failed (in EXP case alone) at it's branch junction. Later I have increased the branch spool length (other way to increase flexi), then it was passed and well under the allowable(s).

But there is a requirement from client and internal mfg teams - not to increase the spool length, so I added stiffness-es from nozzle-pro and everything is OKAY.

Following are my doubts:
1. Do the Stiffness-es calculated for header#branch junction from nozzle-pro are really correct? Because the header is in ring shape and but in nozzle-pro the shell is assumed as straight.
2. Is the modelling correct according to the connections and rigid elements?
3. If I have to model top head and inline nozzle for this reactor where I have further piping, how can I model that configuration? I feel that there is no provision to model heads in CAESAR. Can I go with vertical rigid element with head attributes? Or do we have any equivalent method to model head as pipe element?
4. If Piping loads of bottom header alone want to translate from the input nozzle (node-1255) to shell#nozzle junctions (12 nos., example node-80), what is the procedure you suggest? I feel finding out local element forces would give us the required forces and moments at the shell junction. Is it correct? Also since shell-node and nozzle-node are at the same location in space, which element or node forces and moments are to be considered?

NOTE: CAESAR file (version: C-II 2018 Ver.10.00.00.7700) attached for reference.

Thanks in advance.


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#73543 - 08/08/19 04:23 PM Re: Considering Flexibility/Stiffness in modelling [Re: VGA]
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First you need to understand what is being accomplished under "normal" circumstances. Nozzlepro is providing you a k value for Hooke's law (F=kx), but (and I choose to believe this, but since I don't work for Paulin group, I can't tell you for sure, though I'll admit I don't memorize the instruction manual cover to cover, so maybe it's there), but k is linearized such that F, k, and x coincide where allowable stress conditions are met.

Values of F and x otherwise are going to be only approximate at best.

With that said:
1a) For specific ranges of values, in normal modeling conditions, yes, where it matters, yes. Where it doesn't matter, it's going to be off, but the beam model methodology should be adequate, considering what we use for allowable stresses.
1b) For non-straight sections, it'll be less accurate, because it'll be even more isotropic and non-linear than before, when comparing straight runs versus curved runs. However, the inaccuracy will be dependent on D, d, R, T, and t. Personally, I would not be terribly concerned with the model as presented, though I'd personally also throw in some safety factor.

2. Visually, it looks right to me. I didn't check your cosines/sines.

3. That method sounds appropriate, especially for a centrally located nozzle. More on "hillside nozzles" below.

4. Unfortunately, you didn't set up your file how I would have to make this easy, but it's still doable - just even more tedious. However, it eliminates trig error on your part. Assume that you add CNODE anchors to your model. E.G. break 2260-2270 and have a "nozzle flange" at 2265 that's Anchor-CNODED to 2266. (There's more than one way to accomplish this, of course, but this is the easiest way for me to visualize.) Also, I recommend this method because I don't trust myself with converting this to local axes.
1.) Output to Excel the forces and moments you normally use to calculate nozzle stresses.
2.) Close CAESAR, copy the file. It's a temporary file that we'll end up throwing away.
3.) Open the copy, delete everything except the ring header.
4.) Uncheck all the bends. While you're at it, make those rigid elements non-rigid to make things easier to manipulate.
5.) Break the ring. E.G. if your ring is 10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-10, make it 10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-81.
6.) Input the forces and moments you exported in step 1 onto those anchors as F1, F2, and F3.
7.) Using the box select tool, "unfurl" your ring header into a straight line, by using box select and rotate element options, making sure that you select the elements with the forces input so they get rotated, as well.
8.) Copy and paste rotated forces out of CAESAR into another excel sheet. Depending on which orientation you choose for your unfurled header, X or Z will align with radial force on the ring and the other will be tangential load on the ring. It should be somewhat simpler to find worst case loads/moments if you're trying to limit the number of nozzlepro runs.
9.) If resulting in failures, compare your rotated "radial" and "tangential" loads from 8 to the "local forces and moments" from the original model, then you can likely henceforth jump straight to the local forces and moments output to NozzlePro input to recycle until passing.

With regards to hillside nozzles mentioned above (thought I forgot about that), there exists no specific guidance to convert this into a beam model, and I'm not sure I can blame COADE for not funding that research venture.

What I can offer, however, is that it would be technically feasible to mimic such a thing in present day CAESAR, it would require modelling a Gazebo with piping elements, whose thicknesses and diameters would have to be determined (and likely input by) numerical methods. Unfortunately, I'm not up to that task, so for the time being, using rigid elements to get that hillside nozzle is going to have to suffice.


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#73544 - 08/08/19 09:50 PM Re: Considering Flexibility/Stiffness in modelling [Re: Michael_Fletcher]
VGA Offline
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Registered: 09/25/18
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Loc: GUJARAT, INDIA
Thank you Michael Fletcher for your detailed explanation.

I will try the options you mentioned and will get back with some more findings.

Regards.

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