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#68107 - 01/15/17 10:54 PM ALTERNATIVE WAY TO WORK OUT LOADS AND MOMENTS
raab Offline
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Registered: 06/21/16
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Loc: Baku, Azerbaijan
I've got WI manifold model to be analyzed and i want to know loads and moments on the bottom flange of each valve shown in attachment. This is because of i want to compare actual nozzle loads with the allowable loads. I located anchors onto necessary points(above the bottom flanges) in order to determine this but it changed restraint loading of manifold supports( nodes 20, 60, 90) which i think should not be like this.
My query is: is there any other way you might recommend to use or more practical solution you have been using ?


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Ramil Abbaszade CEng MIMechE, MSc
Pressure Vessel, Pipe Stress and Mechanical-Piping Design Engineer

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#68112 - 01/16/17 08:58 AM Re: ALTERNATIVE WAY TO WORK OUT LOADS AND MOMENTS [Re: raab]
Khalidmf Offline
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Ramil,
You must have used anchor instead of C-node anchor. Alternatively check loads at interested node in “Global Element Force “report.

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#68113 - 01/16/17 09:23 AM Re: ALTERNATIVE WAY TO WORK OUT LOADS AND MOMENTS [Re: raab]
Michael_Fletcher Offline
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I'm in agreement with Khalidmf, except I would like to add that you need to consider at which point you need to measure your loads.

I typically put an Anchor+CNODE at the flange/flange connection, as well as at the nozzle wall, just in case I am ever queried, the information is available.

E.G. if your pipe is valve + flange + nozzle neck + header

Normal:
10-20 valve
20-30 flange
30-120 nozzle neck to center of header

110-120-130 header

Instead model:
10-20 valve,Anchor at 20, CNODE to 21
21-30 flange
30-40 nozzle neck to pipe OD, Anchor at 40, CNODE to 41
41-120 nozzle neck from pipe OD to center of header, branch connection at 120.

110-120-130 per normal

This will report simple loads at the header wall and flange/flange interface.

An even more adanced model would be as follows:
10-20 anchor at 20, cnode to 21
21-30
30-40 Y with K value, X with K value, Z with K value, all three at node 40, CNODE to 41
41-120 RX with K value, RZ with K value, both at node 41 CNODE to 40, SIFs input at 120.

The K values and SIF values can come from nozzlepro, fe/pipe, etc, or calculated through FEA tools. This will result in more flexibility and lower stresses and forces, typically.

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#68381 - 02/19/17 08:25 AM Re: ALTERNATIVE WAY TO WORK OUT LOADS AND MOMENTS [Re: raab]
kumar73 Offline
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Registered: 05/23/05
Posts: 69
Loc: India
Hi ramil,

Please note that Manifold should have one limit stop.
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#68383 - 02/20/17 01:03 AM Re: ALTERNATIVE WAY TO WORK OUT LOADS AND MOMENTS [Re: raab]
raab Offline
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Registered: 06/21/16
Posts: 30
Loc: Baku, Azerbaijan
Hi Kumar,
Yes i'm aware of that possibility. Therefore, i've put rotational restraint(RZ) along the longitudinal axis of manifold to take care of rotational movement
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Best Regards,
Ramil Abbaszade CEng MIMechE, MSc
Pressure Vessel, Pipe Stress and Mechanical-Piping Design Engineer

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