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#60641 - 10/02/14 07:00 PM Precompression In Expansion Joint
MONTEK99 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/08
Posts: 15
Loc: PUNE, INDIA
Dear All,

Regarding expansion joint is it possible to simulate precompression of the expansion joint in CAESAR?
Kindly suggest.
Thank you.

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#60646 - 10/03/14 09:47 AM Re: Precompression In Expansion Joint [Re: MONTEK99]
Dan Edgar Offline
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Registered: 03/03/00
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Loc: Pine Valley, Ca, USA
Yes it is. Define an element with the length of the pre-compression and then define the material as "(19) Cut Long". It's very unusual to pre-compress and an expansion joint, normally they are pre-extended so that when the line heats up, the expansion joint grows towards the neutral length. Are you dealing with a cryogenic line?

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#60702 - 10/07/14 06:58 PM Re: Precompression In Expansion Joint [Re: MONTEK99]
MONTEK99 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/08
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Loc: PUNE, INDIA
Dear Mr. Dan,

Thank you for reply & apology for the delay in responding.
No, it is not a cryogenic line. It is a decoke line with 350 deg celsius temperature & 36" size.
Using an ILPB Ej & I should have said 'pre-extension' or simply 'preset' instead of 'precompression'. My apologies.

For ILPB it will be both,
for Inline Ej ==> Pre extension
for Balanced Ej ==> Pre compression.


Thank you again.

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#60718 - 10/08/14 09:26 AM Re: Precompression In Expansion Joint [Re: MONTEK99]
Dan Edgar Offline
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Registered: 03/03/00
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Loc: Pine Valley, Ca, USA
Dear Sir,

If you’re doing a detailed model of an ILPB joint, then I would recommend just one pre-extension at the inlet or outlet of the joint. This will have the effect of pre-extending the line bellows and pre-compressing the balancing bellows.

Due to the complexities of an ILPB and the problem of large rotation of the restraint rods, I generally recommend you use a simple single zero length expansion joint to represent the joint. You would then manipulate the spring rates and effective diameter to represent the joint. The axial, lateral and torsional spring rates would be the overall spring rates of the entire joint. The rotational spring rate would be rigid (10e^6) and the effective diameter would be zero. The overall length of the joint should be set to ambient temperature to represent the thermal growth that is trapped and resolved internally under the tie rods. The results will be accurate for your system. However, you will have to manually have to add the axial growth under the tie rods to the design movements of the joint.

If you have further questions, I suggest you contact me directly at pipesol@connectnet.com

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#60742 - 10/09/14 06:43 PM Re: Precompression In Expansion Joint [Re: MONTEK99]
MONTEK99 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/08
Posts: 15
Loc: PUNE, INDIA
Dear Sir,

Thank you for the valuable information. I will contact at the said email for furhter queries.

Thank you.

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