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#32561 - 01/13/10 06:44 AM Snow load & Earthquake load
Khan Offline
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Dear

Can any one explain me how to input snowload & earthquake load both in Uniform loads column. As i have inputed the earthquake load as value of GX,GY & GZ and now want to input the snowload on pipe...?

Thanks

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Yahiya Khan
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#32569 - 01/13/10 09:16 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Khan]
Richard Ay Offline
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At the present time, uniform loads have to be all of the same "type". Either all "force / lenth", or all "g's". You cannot mix the two types in the same input file.
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#32577 - 01/13/10 01:25 PM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Richard Ay]
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You can enter the snow load over a section of piping by increasing the density of th insulation over the section of piping that will see the snow load
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#32701 - 01/20/10 04:26 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Itchy]
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Yes that can Mr. Khan do.
But he mixed then the normal isulation loads (weight load case) with a occasiunally load (snow load).
I think this will be to much for the sustained stress equation.

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#32890 - 01/29/10 10:15 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Ohliger]
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Another option would be to split the distributed load into a set of discrete loads.

This can be burdensome if you have extended lengths of pipe.

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#32903 - 02/01/10 02:55 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Michael_Fletcher]
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I think not so.
Example :
Its a deflection/stress difference if have a beam between two restraints
onetime with a uniformload and one time with two forces on the nodes.
In the second case only the restaints get reaction forces without deflection the beam.

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#32906 - 02/01/10 04:41 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Khan]
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snow load can be used as sustain load by density change .... considering there should not be too much difference

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#32979 - 02/03/10 05:45 PM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: koks]
Itchy Offline
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I disagree Ohliger

I believe a snow load should be considered a sustained load.

It is a dead lead rather than an occasional load. You can have snow for a significant part of the year (or all year depending where you are).

Occasional loads are exactly that - they occur occasionally - wind, seismic, rupture disc disharge loads etc.
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#32984 - 02/04/10 02:27 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Itchy]
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Its a question of the location and load time.
Snow load :
Florida ==> occasional
Alaska ==> sustained

Then its only a question of load time, if occasional or sustained.
If you have a location with (example 200 days wind) then its a sustained load and not ocassional load.



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#59512 - 06/26/14 02:33 AM Re: Snow load & Earthquake load [Re: Khan]
sassimec Offline
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Registered: 02/21/12
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Loc: tunisia
Dear All,
It's an interested subject.
Today I have a piping model with many load case to check, seismic, snow , settlement and I 'm lost , I cannot define my load cases and combination for all those load, and how I can imput the snow and seismic as uniform load together , or I have to define the snow as force?
For the settlement , this is my first time to do it, I have 25 mm for tank, what are the nodes that I have to enter this displacement? only node connected to tank or what?
I need your help please.
Best Regards

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