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#58833 - 05/04/14 12:48 AM Modelling Concrete Thrust Blocks
Pickles Offline
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Registered: 09/25/06
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Hi there and Happy May Day,

Just have a question with regards to above.

I have a buried pipeline that terminates to a riser. Where the elbow transitions from the horizontal to the vertical riser I place an anchor to then form the basis for the design of the concrete thrust block.

When running the analysis I get a failure at the node just before and after where I placed the anchor. The thrust block itself is 1 cubic metre so in reality it restraints the entire elbow and pipe in the vicinity.

My question is: Is this the correct way of modelling a thrust block? How can I 'encapsulate' the entire elbow so as to simulate that it is indeed within a concrete block?

I had a look at the manuals and the discussion forum and can't seem to find any information regarding this.

Any response is much appreciated.
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#58884 - 05/07/14 08:36 AM Re: Modelling Concrete Thrust Blocks [Re: Pickles]
Pickles Offline
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Hi Dave, Richard,

Any response to this? Any guidance is appreciated. Just as an update. I have placed additional anchor next to the elbow and that fixed the problem. Still would like to know if this is the correct way though.

Regards.
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#58886 - 05/07/14 08:43 AM Re: Modelling Concrete Thrust Blocks [Re: Pickles]
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Caesar doen't know about the position of the pipe wall. The elements are stick type 'round beams' with defined displacement properties at each end.

What you have described is a full anchor. Don't model the elbow, just locate a full anchor at the position of the concrete limit.

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#58887 - 05/07/14 08:51 AM Re: Modelling Concrete Thrust Blocks [Re: Pickles]
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Thanks MoverZ... The elbow is encased in a 1 cubic metre concrete block as a standard so there are two concrete limit.... does this mean I place two anchors at the entry (horizontal) and exit (vertical) points?

Thanks again for replying :-)
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#58921 - 05/09/14 03:36 AM Re: Modelling Concrete Thrust Blocks [Re: Pickles]
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If you want to model through your thrust block you would probably be near enough if you just model a rigid element to and from the elbow tangent point and apply a full anchor at that point. Don't try to define an elbow.

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#58965 - 05/12/14 05:39 PM Re: Modelling Concrete Thrust Blocks [Re: Pickles]
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Oh thanks Moverz. That is an excellent idea to convert the element to a rigid.
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