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#53336 - 03/10/13 04:18 AM Seismic Load Case for Underground Piping
xyzmaraden Offline
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Registered: 04/13/12
Posts: 6
Loc: Indonesia
Dear All,

I am currently doing stress analysis for Underground Piping in Process Piping Plant.

Pipe line condition:
Size :16"
T Design : 37 C degree
Buried depth to top of pipe : 1500 mm
Soil type : CLAY

Queries:
1. When I analyze my underground pipes, do I have to consider seismic/ earthquake load?

I thought that when earthquake occurs then my whole pipe will move along the soil/ ground and there will be no displacement of the pipe changes the another pipe. I mean when soil/ground accelerated by seismic, then my whole pipe will experience the same acceleration to the ground.

2. Regarding to Virtual Anchor Point, stated that is a point that "no movement" where frictional resistance Ff = thermal force Ft.
I have about 572m straight pipe, and I did not find a point where the displacement is zero in my CAESAR II report.
Did I wrong modeling my underground pipe? where the possibilities my mistake?

I am new in this. Thank You for your kindly reply.

Regards,
MMP


Edited by xyzmaraden (03/10/13 04:19 AM)

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#53337 - 03/10/13 12:16 PM Re: Seismic Load Case for Underground Piping [Re: xyzmaraden]
mariog Offline
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Registered: 09/29/07
Posts: 798
Loc: Romania
For both topics you can "search" through the posts.

I can give you two links related to VAL
http://65.57.255.42/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=49702
and
http://65.57.255.42/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=30861
and you can identify many others...

Best regards.

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#53345 - 03/11/13 02:43 AM Re: Seismic Load Case for Underground Piping [Re: mariog]
xyzmaraden Offline
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Registered: 04/13/12
Posts: 6
Loc: Indonesia
Thanks for your prompt response mario.

Well, actually I already read those links before. now, when I read those link for the second times it's more clear to me smile

Now, how about my 1st question, When I analyze my underground pipes, do I have to consider seismic/ earthquake load?

Best regards,
MMP

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#53348 - 03/11/13 06:49 AM Re: Seismic Load Case for Underground Piping [Re: xyzmaraden]
mariog Offline
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Registered: 09/29/07
Posts: 798
Loc: Romania
About your first point, I guess that your model includes also an above ground section (pig facility, for example) and for that part you should perform a seismic evaluation as usual.

For underground section of pipelines, seismic hazard is either ground deformations (soil failure, liquefaction induced buoyancy effects, landslides, faulting- relative movement between two portions of the earth crust, etc) or wave propagation (P, S, Rayleigh type, etc).

The principal failure modes of pipeline are rupture due to axial tension, local buckling due to axial compression, beam buckling and bending failure. The problems are more complicated when local corrosion appeared in service.

The point is such analysis should be performed with proper tools; IMO it is better to say frankly you have no tools instead to say "I made an analysis, there is no problem".

Again IMO, such seismic analysis for pipelines remained more linked to academics, while in real life focus is to mitigation strategies.

Best regards.

PS. On this subject, you can find huge amount information on Internet and study it.
You can start with http://www.americanlifelinesalliance.com/pdf/SeismicGuidelines_WaterPipelines_P1.pdf


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