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#3919 - 10/03/05 02:19 PM Multiple Springs with Multiple Temperatures
El Gringo Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
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Loc: Colombia
I have the following situation: A pair of identical towers, 30 meters high, have 20” overhead lines dropping a short distance down the sides of the towers then running horizontally into a structure. For various reasons the lines are not supported from the towers so the first available support points are at the structure beams.

Inside the structure the lines join at a tee. A single 20” line then continues from the tee to an exchanger. The towers operate alternately; i.e. tower ‘A’ is hot while tower ‘B’ is cold and vice versa. Block valves either side of the tee isolate the cold tower from the process.

I modeled the two temperature cases as follows:
Tower ‘A’ to the tee: T1 = cold, T2 = hot.
Tower ‘B’ to the tee: T1 = hot, T2 = cold.
From the tee to the exchanger: T1 and T2 both hot.

The boundaries of the system are the flanges at the tower nozzles and the flange at the exchanger. All displacements were calculated manually and applied at the boundary points. Zero displacements are applied to the towers when cold.

The designer added good-sized loops in the system. However, using +Y supports only, the hot tower sees a fairly high –Y force and a very high moment load. The solution, I believe, is the addition of at least two springs located somewhere along each of the overhead lines inside the structure.

When I add the two springs at best-guess locations the CAESAR II recommended load cases only define a combination for D1, T1. i.e.
L1: W (HGR)
L2: W+D1+T1+P1 (HGR)
Thereafter, CAESAR II provides OPE and EXP cases for both conditions.

Questions:
1. What exactly does the L2 case do? (The answer, I assume, is obvious: Springs are calculated for the case where tower ‘A’ is cold and tower ‘B’ is hot. The alternate case is not considered.)
2. Is it correct to insert a new load case as L3: W+D2+T2+P2 (HGR)?
3. If the answer to 2 is no, must I make two separate runs changing D1, T1 to D2, T2 in the second run?
4. If the answer to 3 is correct, what is the best method of determining the actual spring settings required?
5. As a possible answer to 4, does it make sense to base the spring settings on the entire system running hot?

Thanks, as always, for any suggestions offered.
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#3920 - 10/03/05 03:58 PM Re: Multiple Springs with Multiple Temperatures
Dave Diehl Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 2382
Loc: Houston, TX, USA
CAESAR II can size the springs based on the load and travel from any single (operating) condition or on the (average or maximum) (load or travel) from a specified group of load cases.

See Multiple Load Case Design Options.

By default - CAESAR II uses only the first set of temperatue, pressure, displacements (i.e. W+T1+P1+D1) to size the springs. If you change the multiple load case design option to something other than "Design per Load Case #1", then these other loads can be used.

But what's right? In your case I might try "Design using maximum travel" after telling CAESAR II that you have two hanger design cases. But I think those results would be similar to running everything hot.

I don't think this can be automated to any higher degree using our current design procedure. We assume the system is designed for a single "hot" load and every other position of the spring will be somewhat out of balance. When you have more than one design position, there is no additional criteria in place to select the "best" spring other than the maxima or averages.
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#3921 - 10/03/05 07:50 PM Re: Multiple Springs with Multiple Temperatures
John C. Luf Offline
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Registered: 03/25/02
Posts: 1110
Loc: U.S.A.
If your determined to take all the variability out of the springs spec out one of the so-called constants if you can find a size that works for your loads and travels....

A pricey solution but it may be helpful...
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John C. Luf

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