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#34210 - 04/08/10 12:52 PM Unbalanced forces on elbows during start up.
somnathbasu Offline
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What kind of unbalanced forces are expected on elbows during start up of a liquid line?

I am aware of the forces due to change of momentum, that evetually balance out as the flow is established.

If a four way valve is suddenly opened and flow is established in the alternate path. are the elbows going to see any deltaP times A forces, even for a short duration? How to asses if there will be a unbalanced pressure load i.e if any pressure differential will exist between elbow pairs during start up?

Any suggesstion, guidance, formulae will be appreciated.
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#34246 - 04/09/10 09:59 AM Re: Unbalanced forces on elbows during start up. [Re: somnathbasu]
Bob Zimmerman Offline
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For fast valve opening in a closed system, the elbows may see an unbalanced MOMENTUM FORCE at the ells if the pipe is "empty". determine the velocity and treat it like a slug, rho*A*V^2.
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#34501 - 04/21/10 11:50 AM Re: Unbalanced forces on elbows during start up. [Re: Bob Zimmerman]
somnathbasu Offline
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Registered: 11/23/02
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Loc: Edmonton/AB
Thanks for your answer. Please consider the following two questions:

1. There is a pressure differential between point 1 and point 2 due to losses.
Is this "delta P " is ever a significant source of an unbalanced load when the flow is ocuuring?

2. For start up of a piping system that is not empty: How to quantify the force required to accelerate the staic fluid to the final velocity? Are these forces ever considered in piping analysis?

I'd appreciate some discussions around these from the forum members.
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