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#31688 - 11/30/09 04:43 AM Load case result not the same
Rueti Offline
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Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 4
Loc: Thailand
I am currently having force and wind load for my model. The total load cases are as below :


CASE 1 (HYD) WW+HP
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 2 (OPE) W+T1+P1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 3 (OPE) W+T1+P1+F1
OPERATING CASE CONDITION 1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 4 (OPE) W+T1+P1+WIN1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 5 (OPE) W+T1+P1+WIN2
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 6 (OPE) W+T1+P1+WIN3
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 7 (OPE) W+T1+P1+WIN4
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 8 (SUS) W+P1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 9 (EXP) L9=L2-L8
SUSTAINED CASE CONDITION 1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 10 (OCC) L10=L3-L2
EXPANSION CASE CONDITION 1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 11 (OCC) L11=L4-L2
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 12 (OCC) L12=L5-L2
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 13 (OCC) L13=L6-L2
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 14 (OCC) L14=L7-L2
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 15 (OCC) L15=L8+L10
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: SCALAR
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 16 (OCC) L16=L8+L11
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: SCALAR
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 17 (OCC) L17=L8+L12
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: SCALAR
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 18 (OCC) L18=L8+L13
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: SCALAR
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 19 (OCC) L19=L8+L14
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: SCALAR
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

I am focusing on CASE 15 which the stress checked FAILED as below :




CASE 15 (OCC) L15=L8+L10


Piping Code: B31.3 = B31.3 -2006, May 31, 2007


CODE STRESS CHECK FAILED : LOADCASE 15 (OCC) L15=L8+L10

Highest Stresses: (N./sq.mm. ) LOADCASE 15 (OCC) L15=L8+L10
CodeStress Ratio (%): 242.0 @Node 740
Code Stress: 323.5 Allowable: 133.7
Axial Stress: 41.3 @Node 370
Bending Stress: 289.2 @Node 740
Torsion Stress: 32.0 @Node 740
Hoop Stress: 85.1 @Node 370
3D Max Intensity: 365.9 @Node 740

And for the same model. I deleted all the wind loads and left only the force, as below :

CASE 1 (HYD) WW+HP
HYDRO TEST CASE
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 2 (OPE) W+P1+F1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 3 (OPE) W+T1+P1
OPERATING CASE CONDITION 1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 4 (SUS) W+P1
SUSTAINED CASE CONDITION 1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Elastic Modulus: EC
Friction Mult.: 1.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 5 (EXP) L5=L3-L4
EXPANSION CASE CONDITION 1
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 6 (OCC) L6=L2-L4
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: ALG
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None

CASE 7 (OCC) L7=L4+L6
Keep/Discard: Keep
Display: Disp/Force/Stress
Combination Method: SCALAR
OCC Load Factor: 0.0000
Flg Analysis Temp: None
CAESAR II LOAD CASE REPORT




While it shows the result CASE 7 as stress PASSED, as below :

CASE 7 (OCC) L7=L4+L6


Piping Code: B31.3 = B31.3 -2006, May 31, 2007


CODE STRESS CHECK PASSED : LOADCASE 7 (OCC) L7=L4+L6

Highest Stresses: (N./sq.mm. ) LOADCASE 7 (OCC) L7=L4+L6
CodeStress Ratio (%): 66.9 @Node 740
Code Stress: 89.4 Allowable: 133.7
Axial Stress: 41.2 @Node 370
Bending Stress: 111.4 @Node 799
Torsion Stress: 7.8 @Node 740
Hoop Stress: 85.1 @Node 370
3D Max Intensity: 126.9 @Node 740



3D Max Intensity: 126.9 @Node 740

Could you please explain on this ?

I have also sent you the CAESAR II file via email.

Thank you very much
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#31703 - 11/30/09 11:08 AM Re: Load case result not the same [Re: Rueti]
Dave Diehl Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 2382
Loc: Houston, TX, USA
Your second L7 does not match your first L15.
Your first analysis sets F1 as "W+T1+P1+F1" - "W+T1+P1".
Your second analysis sets F1 as "W+P1+F1" - "W+P1".
The thermal load can change nonlinear response.
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#31752 - 12/01/09 07:42 PM Re: Load case result not the same [Re: Dave Diehl]
chanatip Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 4
Loc: Thailand
Just another question for this ;

So if I generate one load case as : W+P1+F1 (OCC) which is the same like case 15 (OCC), Can I do like this ?

Or is there any alternative correct way for the B31.3 code ?

Next, I am wondering how to set the load case combine method which is the scalar and algebraic. In the manual, it seems like the first operation (take the differences) has to be algebraic and the next is the combination of two load cases has to be a scalar. Can you please explain how can I define this?

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#31771 - 12/02/09 08:31 AM Re: Load case result not the same [Re: chanatip]
Dave Diehl Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 2382
Loc: Houston, TX, USA
If the piping system is linear, then L3 & L4, below, give the same results:
L1: T1
L2: W
L3: T1+W
L4: L1+L2 (algebraic)

If the system is not linear, e.g. there are +Y supports, then L3 need not be the same as L4. This is because the stiffness matrices from L1 & L2 may not be identical.

The B31.3 piping code has little to say about incorporating nonlinear response into the analysis. Liftoff of supports (a nonlinear response) is considered in the longitudinal stress due to sustained loads in B31.3 Appendix S.

For combining load cases in CAESAR II (like L4 above), you can sum the stress magnitudes (what we call scalar summation) or you can sum stresses "algebraically", in which case the SIGNED loads are combined and the stress is a product of these resultant loads. Our interpretation of B31.3 is that the signs should not considered in the sustained plus occasional stress evaluation. So this stress combination should be "scalar"rather than the typical (default) "algebraic".
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