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#2930 - 05/19/05 04:17 AM Appendix P
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Having recently read appendix P and running
the example appendix s from the COADE Downloads,

I get the following.

Max Op stress =192.34 n/2mm (node 39)
SoA = 205n/2mm

Then the stress ratio is 94% of the allowable.
Which, due to the variances that creep in during manufacture of piping, we would deem to be very high.

(we like to be below 90%)

i am assuming the stress range for comparison
is from T2P2 to T1P1, NOT ambient to T1P1 which is a 'cycle'

Comments appreciated.

(i just know i'm gonna be flamed for this!)

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#2931 - 05/19/05 08:45 AM Re: Appendix P
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Congratulations,

You are the very first poster to discuss this appendix and it appears as feared you have missed some of the finer points that TG B of B31.3 had for publishing this.

Salient points:
99.9999% of a code stress allowable value complies with the Codes numeric requirements. Any added allowances are at the option of the individual designer and while perhaps warranted for “unknowns” are not a direct code requirement. (Interestingly when discussed by the members of TG B some felt that 99.99% was overstressed, some felt that 101.999% would still be in compliance) Mathematically speaking however 99.99% of an allowable value is less than that value. I suggest you may want to prepare a code inquiry on this for further clarification. Please follow the format as spelled out in Appendix Z

The numeric values in this appendix are approximations of the results from various commercially used pipe stress programs. It was never intended as a “benchmark” See note1 of Table S301.5.1, Table S301.5.2

As stated in S301.7 SE as well as SA has been accounted for in a CAESAR II setup the two distinct OPE cases (T1/P1 vs T2/P2) would be algebraically summated.
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#2932 - 05/20/05 08:44 AM Re: Appendix P
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Thanks to the Rev. Dr. Luf.

Chuck doesn't seen to get over to this board very often but readers might be interested in looking at this site:

http://www.bechtengineering.com/processPower/articles/ASME-B31.3TechnicalChanges2004.htm

There is always something of interest over there.

Regards, John.
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#2933 - 05/20/05 09:12 AM Re: Appendix P
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Hi John,

The Synopsis by Chuck is well done... and it managed to be published long before the actual code!!!!

Fine Point Hint:Look @ the temperatures closely in the sample problem and take note of how they are used or not used as the case may be.
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