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#27376 - 05/12/09 07:41 AM Caesar Max Method
Shabeer Offline
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Dear all,

In the below cases, how i evaluated by using Caesar Max Method

CASE TYPE Method
U1+U2+U3 SUS ALG
U1+U2-U3 SUS ALG
U1-U2+U3 SUS ALG
U1-U2-U3 SUS ALG
Thanks,

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#27385 - 05/12/09 11:16 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Shabeer]
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Assuming you had this:

L1 = U1+U2+U3 SUS ALG
L2 = U1+U2-U3 SUS ALG
L3 = U1-U2+U3 SUS ALG
L4 = U1-U2-U3 SUS ALG

then you could do this:

L5 = L1, L2, L3, L4 SUS MAX
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#27389 - 05/12/09 01:31 PM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Richard Ay]
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Thanks richard Ay

In my combination i considered

Assume L10=w+p1+ max of above case.

how i include that cases and which is max of above the case.

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#27400 - 05/12/09 09:00 PM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Shabeer]
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No, you can't do that. The idea of the "MAX" case is to report the maximum of the listed cases. You can't do any further combintations using the "MAX" case.
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#27423 - 05/13/09 06:56 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Richard Ay]
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L1 = U1+U2+U3 SUS ALG
L2 = U1+U2-U3 SUS ALG
L3 = U1-U2+U3 SUS ALG
L4 = U1-U2-U3 SUS ALG
L5 = L1, L2, L3, L4 SUS MAX
L6 = W + P1
L7 = L5 + L6

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#27427 - 05/13/09 07:14 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: jane_k]
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Jane,

Your case (7) can yield misleading results depending on the combination method and "what gets computed" versus "what gets directly summed". Your suggestion may work, but only because cases 1 - 4 are uniform loads and don't have a weight or pressure component.

Just be really, really careful with this.
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#27430 - 05/13/09 08:22 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: jane_k]
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In CAESAR II, basic load cases must be computed before combinations.

I suggest replacing:

L1 = U1+U2+U3 SUS ALG
L2 = U1+U2-U3 SUS ALG
L3 = U1-U2+U3 SUS ALG
L4 = U1-U2-U3 SUS ALG
L5 = L1, L2, L3, L4 SUS MAX
L6 = W + P1
L7 = L5 + L6

with:

L1 = U1+U2+U3 (OCC) ALG
L2 = U1+U2-U3 (OCC) ALG
L3 = U1-U2+U3 (OCC) ALG
L4 = U1-U2-U3 (OCC) ALG
L5 = W+P1 (SUS) ALG
L6 = L1, L2, L3, L4 (OCC) MAX
L7 = L5 + L6 (OCC)

I've also changed those SUS loads to OCC loads. Perhaps those aren't occasional loads but if they are, they should be so noted.

And what about the -U1 permutations?


Edited by Dave Diehl (05/13/09 08:34 AM)
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#27447 - 05/14/09 03:17 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Dave Diehl]
Shabeer Offline
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hai dave diehl & richard
Its case for loyd's comments, my cases only for sustain.
i follow case L7 = L5 + L6.
thanks richard and dave.

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#27454 - 05/14/09 07:36 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Shabeer]
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lesson learned. =)
thanks richard and dave.

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#27501 - 05/17/09 11:48 PM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: jane_k]
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Dear all,

wht is difference between alg, abs and max. explain in brief?
i go through coade help, i can't understand.
why we using that method? what purpose of using that case?

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#27506 - 05/18/09 07:14 AM Re: Caesar Max Method [Re: Shabeer]
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Take two numbers, 125 and -218, then:

An algebraic combination would yield (125 + -218) = -93 )
An absolute combination would yield ( abs(125) + abs(-218) = 343 )
A max combination would yield (-218)
A signed max combination would yield (125)
A signed min combination would yield (-218)
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