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#21640 - 10/17/08 07:52 AM Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys
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Are there ane posibilities in Caesar to see dependense of model analisys ongaps in the restrains.

I tried to do it
but modal analisys showed error message
Please Help if it is possible
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#21641 - 10/17/08 08:01 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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Run a static analysis first and then point to one of the completed static load cases in the Dynimic Control Parameters to set the "state" of the nonlinear supports.
CAESAR II must make all restraints linear for dynamic analysis. If the restraint is closed or active in the static case, the linear support is included in the dynamic model. If the restraint is open or inactive in the static load case you select, the restraint is excluded from the modal analysis.
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#21642 - 10/17/08 09:00 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Dave Diehl]
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I mean how can I organize movement of the node (where restrain is placed)
so that spring will work not all the way
for example 5 mm - gap and only after that spring with C=....N/cm begin working..
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#21644 - 10/17/08 10:13 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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Do you mean free motion for 5 mm before the spring stiffness begins?
NODE=xx, TYPE=X,Y,Z or "skew", GAP=5, STIFF=xxx

Or will that spring be preloaded so that once teh 5 mm gap closes, the pipe must first overcome that preload before the pipe continues motion? I'll have to think about that...
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#21645 - 10/17/08 11:00 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Dave Diehl]
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No, I do not mean preloaded spring
I whantto say that, there is gap XX and after pipe in this node moved on XX - spring becomes it's deformation..

for example in this way we can simulate unproper construscing of restrains in this node by workers on real pipe.
yes?
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#21646 - 10/17/08 11:16 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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I am a little confused.
Tell me what's wrong with my first suggestion:

For free motion of 5 mm before the spring stiffness begins use -
NODE=xx, TYPE=X,Y,Z or "skew", GAP=5, STIFF=xxx
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#21649 - 10/17/08 01:54 PM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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possibly? I don't understand you but here on picture - is situation what I mean
http://www.photoshare.ru/photo2321516.html

You were talking about it?
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#21653 - 10/17/08 02:34 PM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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I am unable to reach your link
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#21654 - 10/17/08 02:51 PM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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I think what Rafitop is trying to say is: (correct me if Im wrong)

Allow the pipe to delfect or lift-up to a 5mm clearance before it hits a support with specific stiffness (spring). I believe that Dave's interpretation to make the certain support is correct.

Goodluck!


Edited by Flexy105 (10/17/08 02:52 PM)
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#21657 - 10/18/08 04:19 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Flexy105]
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Yes exactly, what Flexy105 has wrote)!
and how to make it?
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#21685 - 10/20/08 08:04 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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or it's impossible?
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#21689 - 10/20/08 08:20 AM Re: Influence of gaps in restrains on modal analisys [Re: Rafitop]
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No non-linearities in Dynamics.
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