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#16263 - 02/26/08 07:42 AM Codes
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while I was reading PV Elite documentation I've met links on
ASME Section VIII-Division 1 (ASME Boiler& Pressure Vessels Code)
ASME Section VIII-Division 2
British Standart PD 5500:2003
EN-13445
Please could anybody provide with help what is it
or where to get it? (free or not)
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#16267 - 02/26/08 08:03 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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Andru,

Dobroho Ranco (good morning). My Russian is not so good ...

The easiest and closest place I know of for you to get these books is through BSI (British Standards). Unfortunately these books are not free and they are not inexpensive. Perhaps a local vessel manufacturer may let you review them.
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#16269 - 02/26/08 08:51 AM Re: Codes [Re: Scott_Mayeux]
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in Russian it sounds
Dobrogo Utra (good morning)
but actually we have early evening

Can Coade provide me with such books? if I'm a license User of PV Elite Caesar and so one....
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#16270 - 02/26/08 08:56 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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Andru,

These are all copyrighted materials and cannot be reproduced, copied, scanned etc ...
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#16271 - 02/26/08 09:07 AM Re: Codes [Re: Scott_Mayeux]
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I see
you have said it expensive //how much? where to get ? (just give A link if it is not difficult)

is it possible to put into PVElite Russian codes)? (as I know in cadWorX russian standart were atached)
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#16273 - 02/26/08 10:20 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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Andru,

In answer to your question about cost please see links below,

For ASME, BSI - ASME Codes
For PD 5500, BSI - PD5500
For EN 13445-3, BSI - EN13445-3

These links are for the current versions. Please note that EN 13445 has been split into a number of books - part 3 is design but there will be other parts (e.g. Part 2 - Materials) you may need for reference.


Edited by Stan McKay (02/26/08 10:20 AM)
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#16279 - 02/26/08 03:44 PM Re: Codes [Re: Stan McKay]
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Hi andru,
Privet and dobroe vecher.
Ther American Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code is devided into three major parts, ASME Section VIII Division 1, 2 and 3. However, the code is linked to other sections, mandatory to use with ASME VIII, like Section II for the materials allowed for use, Section IX for Welding regulations, Section V for Testing and Inspection regulations, etc.. Many thousands of pages in several volumes. It is similar for the European Pressure Vessel Code and the British code mentioned by you. These are very expensive books for a student to study them, unless you are determined to become a professional pressure vessel design engineer, inspector in the fabrication field or the like. It takes many years of hard work to become familiar with the requirements of any code above, plus years of practice in a fabrication environment. However, the reward is the recognition of a specialist in a very technical field, able to design and build those magnificent equipment for refineries, gas and oil plants, chemical plants and just about everywhere there is a pressurised process plant.
Sorry for this long tirade, hope it helps.
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#16296 - 02/27/08 04:59 AM Re: Codes [Re: gr2vessels]
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So, Can I "build" pressure vessels in PVElite without this Expensive books, and get "understanable" results which can be repeated then in Ansys for example?

Does anybody have such examples I mean results and tasks in books or from magazine like "Pressure vessels"
I know that there are such results but I DO not have any access to them((
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#16305 - 02/27/08 07:59 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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Andru,

Computer programs are simply tools that help a Designer/Engineer make a decision on how thick each component must be and to help insure the design meets code requirements if it needs to. There are many laborious calculations like WRC 107, 297, external pressure, wind/seismic etc that are not a lot of fun to do by hand. Thats where modern software programs really help.

To be effective at this sort of work you must gather alot of knowledge and understanding of the various Codes and their intent (not always easy to figure out). This can take many years, but as gr2 mentioned above, the rewards are well worth it. Software is not a replacement for a skilled person, but an instrument to help out. You really have to understand what you are doing and if the results make sense.

When my daugher was 8 years old she could build models in PV Elite and run analysis, but obviously had no idea what she was doing. To her she was just making interesting pictures.

Programs like Ansys are not geared to calculation of Code formulas, they are strictly FEA (to the best of my knowledge). You will not get a meaningful comparison when designing a cylinder for example. However, when the Code is weak in a complex area like nozzle loadings, FEA programs are extremely useful and valuable. Code writers cannot possibly come up with formulas for all the various parts that can be attached to a vessel.

Lastly, I do believe that ASME has some sort of computerized course that might be of interest to you. Search the Internet and I am sure that you will find it.
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#16315 - 02/27/08 10:45 AM Re: Codes [Re: Scott_Mayeux]
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2Scott_Mayeux
I know that it is very easy to built anything in PVE and get interesting pictures.
I know what is Ansys, and that Ansys is not working in codes (And I like it)

I just don't want to be a "slave" of codes I need to understand what I'm doing what "Pandor's box" is calculating. And compare result with ansys, in which I know how to aplly loads static or dynamic.
And of cause in Russia we have our own codes which a bit , but differ from yours.


Lastly If You have met with such course, please provide a link.
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#16337 - 02/28/08 05:03 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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andru,
just because you found a screwdriver, you are not yet an engineer. It takes 5 long years at university to study all aspects of engineering. As said above, only because you can handle and make pretty pictures on PV Elite or Ansys or any other software, you still have to study the engineering of pressure vessels, thermodynamics, fluid dynamics and many more, in order to be able to generate something intelligent on that computer.
In the engineering of the pressure vessels, every country in the world, including Russia has issued regulations, codes and standards, to protect the dilettants or the similar people hurting themselves and the others. For this job are there the "slave engineers" of the Codes and the society is encouraging the rebel ones to take up art studies to relieve their revolutionary instincts. By the way, how do you know that the Russian pressure vessel code differs from the ASME code? As for the study of the ASME code, all you have to do is type ASME VIII in the google window and click on the link which takes you to the ASME website. Similarly for AFNOR or JIS or PD / BS. Any of those websites can tell you all the informations you need to participate in a tuition course;- remember that you need a degree in mechanical engineering and some experience to understand what are they talking about...
I hope this might clarify some issues for you.
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#16338 - 02/28/08 05:25 AM Re: Codes [Re: gr2vessels]
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By the way in Russia it takes 6 long years at university))))
why they are different? Because in Russia we have everything own and different from West!))

Thanks for help... if I have questions I'll ask.
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#16449 - 03/03/08 09:41 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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I recommend some books listed in the reference section of our website. Books like by, Bednar, Moss, Megyesy. Here is the direct link,

http://www.coade.com/support_reference.asp?varflag=Reference
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#16451 - 03/03/08 10:11 AM Re: Codes [Re: Mandeep Singh]
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AS I see PVElite works with formulas (codes) but Western...
Is it possible to upload Russian codes in PVElite
Does Coade plane to do it in nearest future?
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#25680 - 03/12/09 08:50 AM Re: Codes [Re: andru]
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andru,
Russian codes implemented in PASSAT software (ПАССАТ)

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