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#10625 - 04/09/07 03:51 AM Acoustic Fatigue
SKK Offline
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Dear All

I need some guidance for doing Acoustic fatigue analysis on PSV's.
There are some PSV'S that generate high noise which can cause cracking at the outlet elbow.
I know that this analysis requires some hand calculation, but I am not getting the correct reference material.


Thanks,

SKK
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#10628 - 04/09/07 07:04 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: SKK]
anindya stress Offline
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First:

Acoustic fatigue analysis cannot be done using a structural analysis program.

Second : Visit this link:

http://www.valve-world.net/pdf/SRV_psvnoise.pdf

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#10629 - 04/09/07 07:08 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: anindya stress]
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#10635 - 04/09/07 11:39 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: anindya stress]
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You might check this site. They have a number of papers on the subject that are free to down-load.

http://www.engdyn.com/papers/papers_table.htm
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#10648 - 04/09/07 09:53 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: NozzleTwister]
SKK Offline
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Dear Anindya,

Thanks for the information. I had seen the website http://www.valve-world.net
But this does not give a proper method to calculate and reach a conclusion.
The Salah Gas incident is a really good document.
I am in search for ASME Paper by Carruci and Mueller and MTD Guidelines for Avoidance of Vibration Induced Fatigue in Process Pipework (ISBN 1 870553 37 3, 1999).

I would like to have a copy of the papers if someone has it.
email : k_suraj786@yahoo.co.in

Thanks & Regards,

SKK
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#10649 - 04/10/07 01:44 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: SKK]
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SKK,

I have mailed the paper at your yahoo address.

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Anindya
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#10657 - 04/10/07 09:03 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: anindya stress]
SKK Offline
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Dear Anindya,

Thank You for the paper.

Regards,

SKK
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#18448 - 06/03/08 06:59 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: SKK]
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Dear Anindya,

Can u send to me the paper as well. I am presently involved in a project having similar case. My email is jsnfkj@yahoo.com.ph

Thanks in advance.

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#18454 - 06/04/08 01:18 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: pipedrifter]
Siv Offline
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Dear Anindya,

Would you mind sending the paper to me at piper11@walla.com

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#18469 - 06/04/08 06:50 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: Siv]
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Dear Anindya

Would you mind sending the paper to me too at adam_e_gifford@yahoo.com.au

Regards

Adam


Edited by giffordad (06/04/08 07:02 PM)
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#18524 - 06/09/08 03:46 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: giffordad]
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Dear Anindya

Would you mind sending the paper to me too at binois@bv.com

Regards

Binoi
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#18538 - 06/09/08 11:26 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: bin51265]
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Loc: Jakarta, Indonesia
Dear all,

I need document ASME Paper "Acoustically Induced Piping Vibration in High Capacity Pressure Reducing Systems", ASME 1982 by Carruci and Mueller.

Please send me to yohanesw@gmail.com

regard's

Yudi

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#18745 - 06/19/08 04:08 AM Underground piping thickness [Re: SKK]
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Dear all,

Rightnow i am working in thickness calculation for underground piping.Pipe material is steel only.Please provide me you have any thickness formula for underground piping.its require to consider soil density also.fluid is water only.Its big bore pipe only.

thanks in advance

Binu
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#18800 - 06/21/08 07:19 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: giffordad]
AL Offline
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Dear Anindya,

Would you please send it to me too,

aipakchi@gmail.com

Many Thanks
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#18801 - 06/21/08 12:32 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: AL]
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Registered: 05/18/08
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Anindya:

Please forward a copy to me too.

wong1@telus.net

Regards,

PWONG
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#20036 - 08/17/08 12:50 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: pwong]
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Registered: 06/27/05
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Anindya,

Could you please forward this paper to me at
ajay.singh.virdi@gmail.com

Thanks,

Ajay

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#20193 - 08/22/08 02:41 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: pwong]
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Dear Anindya,
Would you please send me that important document to me to.

my email nigam06_san@yahoo.co.in

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#20202 - 08/22/08 09:15 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: pwong]
air Offline
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Registered: 08/22/08
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ANINDYA:

please forward a copy to me too. this is my email:- iairis@yahoo.com or israel.a@ieslglobal.com

thank you.
air

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#20314 - 08/27/08 06:45 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: giffordad]
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Dear Anandya would u send that paper the following e-mail
gpskumar22@yahoo.co.in
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#32762 - 01/24/10 07:02 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: G P SenthilKumar]
suj Offline
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Does anybody have the Eisinger paper on the same topic?

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#32801 - 01/26/10 01:35 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: suj]
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hi,
please send me a copy to "luvcraftme@aol.com"
regards,
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#73828 - 09/24/19 06:15 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: anindya stress]
charlot Offline
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Registered: 05/08/13
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Loc: france
Can I have a copy of this paper too? I'm currently involved in the same problem. thanks

sepita.farivar@gmail.com

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#73843 - 09/27/19 01:05 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: SKK]
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Loc: Louisiana, US
The last post on this topic was 9 years ago, and the last post by the person you're requesting the paper from is from 7 years ago.

You might look into the Energy Institute Guidelines for the Avoidance of Vibration Induced Fatigue Failure in Process Pipework.

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#73846 - 09/30/19 10:07 PM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: SKK]
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Registered: 07/07/14
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Loc: india
Hello,

Hi SKK, As per my opinion you need to perform AIV study for PSV's whose sound power level is above 155dB. As per EI (Energy Institute Guideline)
Firstly you have to check what is the sound power level given by PSV vendor. If it is less than 155dB then no need to do further mitigation.
For better understanding kindly refer EI guideline.Clause T2.7.3 on page 60.

Thank you.

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#73848 - 10/01/19 04:54 AM Re: Acoustic Fatigue [Re: SKK]
NAG Offline
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Registered: 03/13/19
Posts: 39
Loc: INDIA
hi shivankarmanish ,

Can you please share EI guide line paper.

My email id

hebbar14ngr@gmail.com

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