caesar free viewer: will be ever developed?

Posted by: vermaccio

caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/12/19 04:12 AM

Will ever be developed a FREE caesar reading-only version?
I mean a caesar free where you can only SEE. You can't model, change, edit, run_calculus, save. You can only look at model, look node names, weight of rigids, spring datas,...

For example if stress analyst complete a calculus (having the full caesar version), other people could look at model by free version to see where supports are to draw them on support plant or to engineering supports. Every time i have to tell them where supports are or to extract .dwg that are less clear than the caesar viewer on screen.
Posted by: anubis512

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/12/19 07:02 AM

Seconded. Especially for large models where you have to take a lot of screenshots to convey support locations/piping geometry, a free viewer would help a lot.
Posted by: Michael_Fletcher

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/12/19 09:52 AM

I saw that CAESAR has a "demo" option now, that can be requested that might be able to do this. It's on the home page when you start CAESAR.
Posted by: vermaccio

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/12/19 10:09 AM

do you mean from caesar 2019 or from 2018? and this "demo" version how much time works? forever or only 30 days? and do you need a key/dongle or you can use demo-version without anything?

question: opening a previuos version .c2 with a newer caesar can damage the .c2 model, can't it?
For example my client asked for caesar 2016 and i have all .c2 2016 models.

More: Last caesar version are HEAVY to load on old pc and sometime in offices the support drawers have slow pc. For this reason i was thinking to a light reader version, without many engines inside the complete caesar.
Posted by: Michael_Fletcher

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/13/19 10:06 AM

Hexagon would essentially have to untether the output viewer / report generator, but also improve upon it to translate the majority of the inputs, too.

Such a program would be bigger than either the input editor or output viewer as it would have to do both duties.

I'm not opposed to the idea, and such an application would be welcome improvement if it also replaced the output viewer outright, we also have to realize it has to make financial sense to Hexagon, too. After all, "free" is never "free."
Posted by: anubis512

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/13/19 12:55 PM

If AutoCAD and similar programs can create a simple viewer I don't see why Caesar couldn't.

Maybe I'm in the minority but none of the companies I've worked for maintained yearly Caesar licenses, just monthly or run-based licenses as required for projects.

It sure would be nice to have a viewer to go back and double check things in between projects or as questions arise... but I understand that Hexagon would probably prefer you "just buy a month license" and keep the money flowing.
Posted by: Michael_Fletcher

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/13/19 04:15 PM

Agreed - it's something CAESAR "should" have.

But I'll note that CAESAR is pretty liberal with its data. An entrepreneur could produce their own tools to do the same, and even make money doing so.
Posted by: Arjun_Unniyampath

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/13/19 09:08 PM

Or Hexagon should add a module where in the user can geerate ".nwd" files (post error checking), with attributes like pressure, temperature, thickness & support gaps
Posted by: Michael_Fletcher

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/14/19 12:50 PM

NWD is a proprietary format. But I'll note that Navisworks (not the free version, of course) can import a plethora of formats, some of which are semi-open.
Posted by: vermaccio

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 11/15/19 01:46 AM

A caesarII license is VERY expensive. and hexxagon can't think a company buy expensive caesar licenses only to let support drawers to LOOK at model and input datas.
The expensive caesarII cost is justified by the ability to perform stress calculation simulations.
But if a user doesn't need at all stress calculation calculus... he will have to spend money, useless money and company boss will decide is a money waste, better not to spend also because will be an out-of-budget cost for project.
So, as happen now, the only caesarII copy will be installed on stress analysis computer and the poor stress-man will have to make miracles to give to other informations needed. the work become worse and worst for the poor stress analyst. and he will be always angry with hexagon...

you think developing a free viewer is a cost for hexxagon: well, it is enough to insert a triple choice at installation where you can decide what you want install:

a)FULL: you need the have/buy a license.

b)DEMO: you can test for a short while the full version.

c)VIEWER: you don't need any license but you can only read datas and look, take measures; mean while if you try to change datas or to run stress simulation a message will appear "this is viewer version, if you need this component please buy a license". simple. direct. quick.

i think inserting the c) option is a low cost work.
Posted by: Arjun_Unniyampath

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 03/04/20 01:08 AM

Option C proposed by vermaccio will be very useful for piping layout and support engineers
Posted by: anubis512

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 03/04/20 06:53 AM

With the way Caesar/Hexagon is changing to more frequent version updates and seemingly more expensive licensing, I really think they need to do something like that or people will begin converting to Autopipe or whatever other program.
Posted by: Richard Ay

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 03/10/20 10:13 PM

I suggest you file your suggestion on Smart Support, and include your reasoning. This is the only way upper management will be able to evaluate your suggestion from a business point of view.
Posted by: Michael_Fletcher

Re: caesar free viewer: will be ever developed? - 03/30/20 09:14 AM

I mulled this over.

The cheapest way to accomplish this for Hexagon would be to change when CAESAR checks for available licenses, and how CAESAR reacts.

Presently, CAESAR just shuts down.

If CAESAR instead were to disable the ability to save, error check, or run, then CAESAR itself could be the free viewer.

Though I'll admit that I'm not certain what risks Hexagon opens itself up to by not shutting the program down.