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#51965 - 11/29/12 06:34 AM A flaw in CII flange analysis
pooria1978 Offline
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it appears to me that CII miscalculates the equivalent pressure in Flange analysis module sometimes; I have tried to input the same conditions of a flange in the calculation, once by entering the equivalent pressure instead of the design pressure and another time by entering the design pressure, axial force and bending moment. the results are not even close to each other! not to mention that the one with only the equivalent pressure entered, is more disastrous. my flange is 3"WN#150



Edited by pooria1978 (11/29/12 06:43 AM)

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#51979 - 11/29/12 04:42 PM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
Richard Ay Offline
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Open a Support Request on eCustomer and send in your files and calculations. We'll get to the bottom of the issue.
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#53370 - 03/12/13 07:21 PM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
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You can find the explanation of the differences in a paper written by Ray. You can find it in eCustomer and the title is:

"CAESAR II_External Forces and Moments imposed on a Bolted Flange"

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#53376 - 03/13/13 01:01 AM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
SJ Offline
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Dan,

Hope you're doing good...

cool
How to get to this ecustomer? I don't find it on Coade webpage.
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#53380 - 03/13/13 05:03 AM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
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Thank you SJ, I am in Mexico for two weeks. I hope you're fine as well.

It is on Intergraph.

https://crmweb.intergraph.com/

or, https://support.intergraph.com/ that will lead you to the same page

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#53392 - 03/13/13 08:46 AM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
Mandeep Singh Offline
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Yes, as danb said you cannot equivalent pressure as the design pressure. The equivalent pressure is only applied to hydrostatic end load pulling on the flange.

Refer to the document written by Ray.
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#53408 - 03/14/13 02:33 AM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
SJ Offline
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Dan,

Thanks for the link but unfortunately this link works only for US citizen , which I'm not.

Can you please download & attach it here?

Hope you're enjoying your spicy hot Tortilla!!

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Enjoy!!!
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#53411 - 03/14/13 05:25 AM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
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Please ask Ray.

I can't have access these days.

Keep Smiling SJ......
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#53430 - 03/14/13 07:57 PM Re: A flaw in CII flange analysis [Re: pooria1978]
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And......someone to contact B31.1 comittee...

because in para. II-4.2.3 Analysis of Flange they say


(B.1) PFD should be used in the ASME Section VIII,
Division 1 equations instead of the design pressure.
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