#16364 - 02/29/08 01:24 AM
LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
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HI EVERYBODY CAN I WRITE LINE OF THE EVERY PIPE ON CAESAR FILE SO THAT IN THE 3D ISO VIEW I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHICH PIPE GOES WHERE AND ITS CONNECTIVITY.
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#16384 - 02/29/08 08:22 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Ujjwal]
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my advice is work with P&ID, Isometrics, Plan drawing. Well, actually P&ID is enough if you want to know where your pipe is connecting.
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#16386 - 02/29/08 08:33 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: liam`]
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Ujjwal
Writing in all CAPS is not really helpful.
You can use the spare pressue tabs in the input to write your line numbers. e.g. P4=1100,P5=1108...P9=1500
and in the 3D view you can select the pressure display which would colour up different line numbers. I personally have never tried this. So may try on your own and see.
Good luck.
regards Siddharth
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#16387 - 02/29/08 08:51 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Sid.]
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh NO - don't do that!
When the pressure stiffening effect for bends is determined (Appendix D stuff), we use the maximum pressure defined for each bend element. So if you put these values in just to label the lines, they will be used in the SIF correction factor.
Don't do this! (It was a good try though.)
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#16389 - 02/29/08 09:06 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Richard Ay]
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Thanks Richard for correcting the error. Well in that case the temperature field can be utilised for this purpose as long as its OK?
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#16390 - 02/29/08 09:17 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Sid.]
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That should be ok (at least I can't think of anything right now that would be affected by this in an automatic fashion). However, some of the pitfalls would be:
a) Explaining to someone reviewing the job what these other temperature values are.
b) You wouldn't be able to use the "Tmax" setting for the flange ratings.
c) Since CAESAR II is going to interpret your lable as a temperature, depending on your material, you may get stopped by the Error Checker if the value exceeds the permitted temperature range of the material.
It's worth a try though.
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#16392 - 02/29/08 09:58 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Richard Ay]
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Richard, please look into this discussion: "3 load cases starnge results" Temperature may cause problems.
P.S. Sorry I do not know how to get pointer to the discussion.
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Jouko jouko@jat.co.za
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#16394 - 02/29/08 11:26 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Jouko]
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Jouko - what's the "subject line" of the post.
To get the URL of a post, instead of "left clicking" to open it, "right click" and select "open in a new window". The URL will then be at the top.
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#16411 - 03/01/08 10:13 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Jouko]
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I don't know if the user ever sent his job in, that was a year ago. The comments made by COADE personnel are correct and still applicable.
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#16416 - 03/02/08 06:51 AM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Richard Ay]
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The issue was here using the temperature field for line number/line ID. Using the field may trigger "Sh corresponding to the highest temperature in the system" as Loren mentions. If this would happen the calculation results would be wrong.
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#16418 - 03/02/08 01:51 PM
Re: LINE NO. ON THE CAESAR FILE
[Re: Jouko]
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No it wouldn't do that, unless that particular temperature vector was used in a load case. This wouldn't happen since the user was simply using it as a label.
To restate the point of the other post, in light of this post: if you have valid temperatures in T1 and T2, and you use T3 through T5 as line (labels) numbers, then as long as your load cases only contain T1 and T2 (and not T3, T4, or T5), then your Sustained allowable will be the minimum of Sh1 and Sh2. (Sh3, Sh4, and Sh5 will not be considered because the corresponding tempeature vectors are not used in any of the load cases.)
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