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#4534 - 01/12/06 04:08 AM SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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If a system has a bend say 29 deg (I mean other than 45 deg or 90 deg) is it necessary to calculate the SIF at that bend and input the user defined SIF ?
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#4535 - 01/12/06 05:08 AM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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If you have access to FEA software having shell elements like ISTBOGEN module in ROHR2, you can model arbitary bend angle SIFs. Please check whether FEPIPE has template for it.

What we were doing while buying these odd angle bend/elbow hardwares, to ask for SIFs with analytical studies from vendors.

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#4536 - 01/12/06 08:03 AM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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The (B31)Appendix D SIF's and flexibilities are independent of bend angle. CAESAR II will calculate these for you. Even though different bend angles have the same flexibility factor, the effective stiffness of these bends will vary since the calculated stiffness is also a function of the arc length of the bend.
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#4537 - 01/12/06 09:58 PM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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Dear SGM,

Dave Diehl is right. It shows that Coade really help us just in need!

But, many times we overdo with FEA regarding SIF & flexibility factor just to impress upon the customer regarding the edge/ suitability of some vendor, which is no doubt true, but unwise.

If you are interested, you can read about pipe18 elbow element in ansys in the following weblink:
http://www.oulu.fi/atkk/tkpalv/unix/ansys-6.1/content/Hlp_E_PIPE18.html

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sam
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#4538 - 01/13/06 10:32 PM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
subhash Offline
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Thank You All for your quick reply

Dear Dave Diehl,
Can you give me the link or some reference wherein I can find this relation between Stiffness and Arc length of the bend.

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#4539 - 01/15/06 09:51 AM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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Hello,

The B31 Codes were based on experiments done with standard welding fittings and with welded (fabricated) fittings. The Appendix "D" SIF's for elbows reflect tests on 90 degree elbows. The Code recognizes the limitations of the information in Appendix "D" and says that if you have a better SIF (more accurate for the fitting at issue) you should use it. It is a take it or leave it sort of thing. B31 Appendices "D" are not perfect but they are what we have for now. It is appropriate to use this data until something better comes along.

We should remember that the intensification of the calculated (beam theory) stresses is a function of the degree of ovalization of the pipe (elbow) cross section as the elbow deflects. As the ovalization increases with deflection, the flexibility becomes greater and the effective stresses increase proportionally. Also, the effect of the ovalization DOES NOT stop at the weld line (although we routinely turn on the SIF and FF at one weld line and turn it off at the other weld line). The pipe will ovalize with deflection beyond the weld line and into the adjoining straight pipe. As a 45 degree elbow deflects, more of the ovalization will be carried beyond the weld line (relative to a 90 degree elbow). And as we all know, flanges on the ends of the elbow will affect the ovalization (and the flexibility and stresses) as will other factors e.g., internal pressure and the wall thickness (most of the B31 tests were done on NPS 4, schedule 40, seamless carbon steel pipe and fittings).

There are many factors like this that will confound the piping engineer's attempts to accurately model a piping system for structural analysis. Think about this when you are fretting about how much you should "round-up" your spring hanger loads or what the SIF should be (within 3 decimal places) for a 37.255 degree elbow. If you come within 10 percent of the actual sustained loadings you were lucky. The B31 Codes have proven to normally have enough design margin (factor of safety or index of ignorance) built into them to assure safe piping systems. There are after all practical limits on how much accuracy we can achieve in modeling systems.

As for a reference, see Dave's posting regarding the NOW AVAILABLE (for a mere $35) Tube Turns Piping Engineering book. Remember this book includes the Markl papers and the experiments alluded to above were done by Markl at Tube Turns. Some additional work was done later (at Oak Ridge by Sam Moore and others) on larger diameter pipe (with several bend lengths) and the resulting publications can be found in TID 25553 (if you can find that tome).
TID--25553; SURVEY REPORT ON STRUCTURAL DESIGN OF PIPING SYSTEMS AND COMPONENTS. Gathered and edited by Rodabaugh, E.C. ; Pickett, A.G. 1970 Jan 01

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/searchresults.jsp?Author=Pickett,+A.G.

Regards, John.
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#4540 - 01/15/06 09:01 PM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
anindya stress Offline
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Subhash,

The added flexibility of bends is attributed to two reasons:

1) Ovalization as explained in detail by John Breen.This is due to shell type behavior of the bend instead of beam type behavior of that of the straight pipe.The ovalization results is reduction of section modulus as you must be knowing.

2)Bends initial cross section tends to deform out of its plane, a condition known as "warping".

These two factors significantly contribute to the added flexibility of the bend.

You can go through this document :"Elastic Plastic Behavior and Limit load analysis of pipe bends under out of plane bending moment and internal pressure ". This document is available ( downloadable) on the internet.

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#4541 - 01/17/06 08:09 AM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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SGM asked for a reference for the definition of bend flexibility - see Markl's paper Pipig Flexibility Analysis published by Tube Turns.

I wrote about this in COADE's October 2002 Mechanical Engineering News. It is available on our web site.

Further to John Breen's comments... as I understand it, these flexibility values assume two OD's of straight pipe on either end of the elbow. If you don't have that, then maybe you should investigate additional stiffness. Appx D offers higher stiffness for one or two attached flanges and CAESAR II accommodates these calculations as well.
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#4542 - 01/17/06 06:55 PM Re: SIF for Bends other than 45 and 90
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Ave Markl!
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